The Day Of Reckoning
This is in response to the U-tube video: The Day of Reckoning Part 7 – The harvest, Matthew 13
Does the Harvest chart reveal what this presentation assumes? Because the top arrow intersects the word, THE FIRST FRUITS and goes over to the dialogue box that says: “Sever the wicked from among the righteous…,” is it speaking of a partial purification before the general slaughter of Ezekiel 9? Does Mat 13:49 specifically reveal that?
Also the bottom arrow goes over to the other dialogue box that quotes the day of reckoning text. Is it supporting the pre-purification theory:
The speaker didn’t make it clear whether Matt 13:39 was the beginning of the separation of the wheat from tares in the church, or that it applied to the pre-purification in totality. I suspect he is saying it is separate and different from the slaughter of Ezekiel nine: Either way, let’s follow these passages.
First we must consult the Rod Message to see if such information exists. Indexing Matt 13:49 in the Rod Message found no explanation that there is going to be an additional cleansing beside the slaughter in the church. Let’s look at fourteen references concerning Matt 13:49.
.I has submitted every passage I can find concerning Matt 13:39. Some are applicable to the study under consideration some are not. The passages with highlighted blue texts are applicable. I shall quote those that are applicable and post the rest at the end of this rebuttal.
“In the purification of the church, “the angels shall…sever the wicked from among the just” (Matt. 13:49), but in the time of the “Loud Cry,” they shall gather the just from among the wicked. …These two distinct separations, each at a different time, occur when (to recapitulate the facts specifically), in the time of the firstfruits, the wicked are taken from among the righteous in the church (net) (Matt 13:49 is the net spoken of here), and when, in the time of the second fruits, the righteous are taken from among the wicked in Babylon. ” Tract 1 27
“This work of separation, or cleansing, brought to view in the parable of Matthew 13:30 and again in that of Matthew 13:47-49, also in the prophecy of Malachi 3:1-3 and in that of Ezekiel 9, as well as in Revelation 14, is directly applicable to the judgment day for the living Tract 3:48:3
In the above passage Matt 13:49 and Ezekiel 9 is the same purification.
Matthew 13:49 is applied to the church as follows:
“In parabolical preview of the purification of the church, Christ declared: “…the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just” (Matt.13:49) Tract 8:29:2
“The mixed group of people, “wheat” and “tares,” very obviously constitute the church that is approaching “the time of the harvest” (Matt. 13:30), the time in which all idolators are to perish. “So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just…. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.” Matt. 13:49, 43. 1 TG 26:15
“To begin with, a group of people — good and bad commingled — are brought to view. They, as we have seen, constitute the church that is approaching the time of harvest in which the wicked are to be severed from among the just.” (Matt. 13:49). 1 TG 26 22 5
“Clearly, the net represents the gospel church into which are caught both hypocrite and saint. Accordingly, in the time of the firstfruit harvest (the Judgment “in the house of God”) “at the end of the world” (Matt. 13:49), the angels sever the wicked from among the just, not the just from among the wicked.” 2 TG 44 35 2
“… then to what purpose does the Lord “suddenly come to His temple …and…sit as a refiner and purifier of silver” (Mal. 3:1-3); why is a message to cause the shaking (Early Writings, p. 270); and why are the angels of Ezekiel 9, those who “shall come forth,” to “sever the wicked from among the just”? Matt. 13:49. 3 ANS 70 2
“Only by strictly following this Divine command can we be led right and survive the Judgment for the Living when it starts to “sever the wicked from among the just.” Matt. 13:49.
“Irrefutably, therefore, the harvest of Matthew 13 precedes the close of probation, and is the time of the ingathering of the first and second fruits — the 144,000 and the “great multitude,” — all the saints who are to be translated.” Tract 3:82:4
NOTE WELL THE FOLLOWING:
Inspiration speaks clearly and eloquently of two sections of the harvest.
“Therefore the angels, the reapers, whom Christ sends forth, include both him who does the sealing, or binding, and those who follow on to do the destroying (Ezek. 9:2, 5 6), first in the church, then in the world. Thus is the
Separation In Two Sections”. Tract 3 pg 67
“This parable also shows the separation of the wicked from among God’s people in the church (“the net”), this being the first section of the work of separation, the beginning of the harvest. The subsequent section follows in the world, as the earth is lightened with the glory of the “Loud Cry” angel, and as “another voice from heaven,” says: “Come out of her, My people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” Rev. 18:4.
Note that in the first section of the separation the one in the church, the wicked are taken away from among the just, whereas in the second, the one in Babylon, the just are called from among the wicked.” Tract 3 pg 68
“Thus in the first section of the harvest, the separation in the church, the wicked are destroyed by six men with slaughter weapons, before the good are taken out; and in the second section, the separation among the churches in Babylon, the wicked are destroyed by seven angels with the seven last plagues, after the good are taken out. There are therefore two separations and two fruits: the former gives the first fruits, the 144 000, who are not defiled with women (Rev. 14:4). That is, they are those whom the sealing message find
in the church of God, not in the heathen churches. And the second gives the second fruits, the great multitude from all nations, some of whom also may be undefiled with women — heathen churches.” Tract 3 pg 71&72
An aside but noteworthy “Those whose vision is clear on the truth of the harvest as taught in the testimonies of the prophets and in the parables will have a still clearer vision as we study the significance of The Wave-Sheaf, Wave-Loaves, And The Feast Of Tabernacles”. Tract 3 pg 75
“This work of separation, or cleansing, brought to view in the parable of Matthew 13:30 and again in that of Matthew 13:47-49, also in the prophecy of Malachi 3:1-3 and in that of Ezekiel 9, as well as in Revelation 14, is directly applicable to the judgment day for the living; Tract 3:48:3
Notice the separation described also as the cleansing, is also Matthew 13:47-49, Malachi 3, Ezekiel 9, Revelation 14, and it is the judgment day for the living.
Now in the video you sent me the speaker said that the day of reckoning is significant because the writer of Matt 25:19 used the word day in the singular tense therefore the pre-purification will probably take place in one day as opposed to the slaughter taking place for seven days. Now, we see in the above text that the singular noun “the judgment day for the living” was also used to describe “the slaughter” of Ezekiel 9. Does that mean the slaughter lasts only one day?
Another example is that the antitypical Day of Atonement is always described as a day in the singular tense. Is it really a one day event?
As far as the text Matt 25:19 is concerned. Nowhere in the Rod was that text applied to a special purification or the day of reckoning separate from the slaughter in Laodicea. Nowhere in the Rod was the day of reckoning singled out and expounded on as such. In 1 TG 21 7-9, 2 TG 11:14-15, 1 ANS 66, GCS 25, 8Tract 29 are found the closest explanation for Matt 25:19 and they support a first fruit purification in the church. I will quote the most significant ones. You can research the rest.
“The same event is again brought to view in the parable of the separation of the wheat from the tares (Matt. 13:30), also in the parables of the wedding garment and of the talents (Matt. 22:1-14; Matt. 25:14-30). Each of these gives further evidence that the separation is the Judgment, during which the chaff is blown away and the wheat garnered in. And as each has reference to the separation, the Judgment of those who are in the church, in the house of God, whence come the first fruits, the 144,000, each emphasizes the same fact as does the ApostlePeter:. For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?” 1 Pet. 4:17.GCS pg 24
Note that Matt 25:19 is the same as Matt 13:30, 22:1-4, “the judgment of those who are in the church…the judgment must begin at the house of God…”
“In parabolical preview of the purification of the church, Christ declared: “…the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just” (Matt.13:49) — take away the wicked and leave the good; whereas in The Revelation, addressing His own in Babylon, He says: “Come out of her My people. Tract 8:28, 29
What the speaker failed to show is that there are several other groups spoken of in this parabolical lesson in 1 TG 21 making up the tares., not just the slothful servants and then SDA tares. The tares are broken down in different classes of tares.
- The backslider and the indifferent, those who are unstable and those who see no need of God, are to perish along with the tares.1 TG 21 17
- Besides the tares among the wheat, there are idlers, inactive folk who are to be cast out and destroyed with the tares. 1 TG 21 7
- These parables distinctly point out that those who do not care to invest everything they possess, if need be, to obtain the Kingdom, are to be cast out with the tares.1 TG 21 11
- The bad fish represent those who, with no real knowledge, conviction and conversion of their own but through emotion and the influence of others join the church. So it is that those who never studiously, whole-heartedly and zealously take hold of the principles of Christ are cast out, there to perish with the tares. 1TG 21 12
- The most outstanding sin of the goat class of professed believers is that they are all for self and none for others. 1 TG 21
Notice that inspiration classifies the goats as a class of tares also. Well we have known that before; because in previous passages he classified the fish, the goat, and the tares, as comprising of the identical group that is visited upon in the slaughter of Ezekiel 9.an
Therefore in TG 21 the prophet is itemizing the different classes of tares to make up the general group that is to perish. Every group above is a tare. He said “At the commencement of the harvest, therefore, this class of tares is the first to appear as such.” 1TG 21:9
If we were to try to decide exactly who these groups are and at what point in the slaughter they are to perish we would find ourselves in a lot of difficulty trying to do so.
” As tares they are burned; as unprofitable workers they are cast into outer darkness there to weep and gnash their teeth; as unfit guests for the wedding they are bound hand and foot and cast out into outer darkness; as foolish virgins they are refused entrance; as goats they are sent into everlasting punishment; as dragon’s flood, they are swallowed by the earth.”
“Yes, there is to be a clean riddance of every sort of tare” 1 TG 21 16
“…the actual thing that happens to them all (the different type of tares) in common is fully described in Ezekiel’s prophecy, chapter 9. “ 1 TG 21:14
“So shall it be at the commencement of the harvest, in the purification of the church: The angels shall smite everyone who fosters the abominations “in the midst thereof.” 1 TG 21:16
Above we see the term everyone is used to describe those who are to be smitten at the commencement of the harvest…
“Also there are two distinct parables of the talents”… In the one, are three servants; in the other, ten servants. This significant difference shows that the former has only a local application, whereas the latter has a world-wide application (Matt. 25:15-30; Luke 19:13-27), Tract 8:29
“…that in the Scriptures, number “ten” stands for universality, and number “three” for the Trinity in the church…” T 8 pg 30
Do you see this? There are two parables in the bible dealing with talents and servants. One parable highlights three servants; the other parable highlights ten servants. (Matt. 25:15-30; Luke 19:13-27
We see clearly that the ten servants and the three servants represent two different applications.
The presenter quoted a passage from Tract 8 pg 72 “…Thus when Christ returns and reckons with His servants…” to strengthen his position that the reckoning mentioned there is for Davidia exclusively. But this passage he quoted just happens to be elaborating on the parable of the ten servants and not the three of 1 TG 21 which is the focus of his study. Read:
“His ten servants, who are to occupy till His coming, represent, manifestly, the ministry at the closing of the gospel dispensation. And His citizens, accordingly, represent the laity — the subjects of His kingdom. Together, then, His servants and His citizens make up His entire kingdom — church.” Tract 8 pg70
Here in the quote to follow as we continue, God is referring to the ten servants above of Luke 19.
“Thus when Christ returns and reckons with His servants, He rewards the faithful ones in proportion as they have increased the principal with which they started, but condemns those who have had no burden to work for souls and to advance His kingdom…” Tract 8 pg 72
This reckoning does not apply to the three servants of Matt 25 exclusively “…a local application…”But as evidenced by this passage it also has “…a world-wide application.” to the ten servants of Luke 19. Therefore, how did we come to the conclusion that Davidia is the group of servants this day of reckoning exclusively applies to?
“So shall it be at the commencement of the harvest, in the purification of the church: The angels shall smite everyone who fosters the abominations “in the midst thereof.” 1 TG 21:9
Above we see the words “commencement of the harvest in the purification of the church” is directly involving the church and everyone in it, and certainly not Davidia exclusively.
Anyone can make a reasonable case that this group: sleeping group, at the commencement of the slaughter are SDA; the quintessential sleepers; described as sleeping preachers preaching to sleeping people and given talents but failed to develop them; those lukewarm professors of Revelation 3. The rod did not specify exactly who this servant is, except to say he was asleep. Nor can we honestly exclude Davidia from harboring this class either. They were given much, as much as the ancient men before the house if not more. And ancient men are the first to feel the wrath of an offended God. Who knows, but a separate slaughter supported by the Rod message? That was not proved in this video.
Commencement is the starting point. The slaughter of Ezekiel nine must have a starting point. But we have never been told there is a break from the time of commencement such as a separate day, an eight day if you will, or one day of the seven set apart to be used to slaughter Davidians. And since the men with the slaughter weapons never pause, it’s all one big nonstop event. Then who would notice who’s first since there’s no where to run nowhere to hide?
Whether it is Davidians who go down first or Seventh Day Adventist ministers should not be a point of contention among us enough to cause division. If Davidians should go down at the start of the slaughter or the end, the intervening time would be so brief that not having this knowledge of his place in line puts him at no disadvantage. The things that keep us apart are psychological machinations designed for distractions. The devil makes these fantastic suppositions appear so critical when in fact they are not. And we continue to be divided so as not to finish this work.
Laodicea is warned of the impending slaughter because she believes she would be judged together with the world. The message is intended to show her how short a time she has since she would be judged before the world is judged, and can take part in the redemption of the world. What is the benefits for Davidia knowing she is first to pass in the slaughter of Ezekiel 9? That she has less time than the group that follows her at the commencement of the slaughter? How much more time do they have? A year, half a year, months, weeks? Not even. Will those coming after have time to stay the hands of death within that week of slaying? Seems if Davidians are slain as the first group they are indeed favored, being spared by the element of surprise from the agony of suspense. Could you imagine the week of horror for those who are waiting for those weapons to find them; every day growing more dreadful than the one previous. There is no grace, no value, no benefit, in knowing you are first in line to be slaughtered hours or days before those to follow you, nor is there peace for those who come after, because the inescapable fact would be: probation would be eternally closed for every unfaithful group mentioned in the study of 1 TG 21, on the week of the slaughter of Ezekiel 9. There would be no place for repentance. And knowing this now, today, should have all the effect it would ever have. If it does not, knowing one would also die days or hours ahead of others would have no added effect.
THE PLACEMENT OF THE ARROW ON THE HARVEST CHART
As for the arrow on the chart being placed in the center of the words THE FIRST FRUITS pointing at the R, and the speaker saying this means there is a two part slaughter, I couldn’t see where else the arrow could be place to give more clarity to the chart and not crowd up the area, making it difficult for the reader to follow the arrow. If the arrow is significant in that area of the chart then the arrow pointing at the R in the center of the words THE HARVEST, must be significant also. Must I believe now that the Loud Cry/Harvest has a two part application? Please look at it carefully. Because of these discrepancies I am unable to accept this as sound doctrine. Any of us can go into the chart and form a theory if we wish, but we must have written documentation supporting the theories we advance or else they remain just what they are, theories and conjectures. Thank you for sending it to me though. I hope it clears up some things for you too.
“Let us, therefore remember, and make positively sure that God is now to lead us in the same way as He did in 1844 and throughout the ages. Make doubly sure that you follow no other kind of leadership, that you let no man divert your attention from this straight path — that you let no one lead you to believe that God is now leading through every Tom, Dick, and Harry.” JL 2 3.
One last observation to make: The entire Tract 3 is the tract that explains the Harvest chart in detail. It is the reason the chart was made: to break down in pictorial mode, the written explanation of the study: The Harvest. Yet the presenter of this study quoted only one passage from tract 3 to support the theory that the day of reckoning is a one day event involving Davidians alone. So he is a prophet and can take that prophetic license we suppose. The problem with that is, there are other men in Davidia claiming to be prophets; claiming to have prophetic license to bring new light that others are incapable of seeing with the naked eye. How do we then decide which one of these is the true prophet sent from God? The adage is: Where there is the true there will also be counterfeits. If we were to apply this in Davidia, then Roden was the only true prophet following Houteff’s death, since he was the first one claiming inspiration. And since we do not believe he was a prophet, what then can we say of the others? The genuine must come first before the counterfeits appear; not decades later when there already existed more than half a dozen men claiming to be the Elijah, or the successor to Brother Victor Houteff.
If the two dialogue boxes speak only of the sower of the seed; the return of the nobleman; the slaughter among Davidians; and the harvesting of the Loud Cry, where is there a passage of text referring to the slaughter of Ezekiel 9 beside the caption, The Fulfillment of Ezekiel 9 at section (5)? Nothing in these dialogue boxes applies to Ezekiel 9, the greater of the two slaughters postulated? All applies to the slaughter in Davidia which is only a 1 day period as opposed to the 6 day period of the church’s slaughter?
All the characteristics that applies to those cut down in the alleged Davidian slaughter seem to apply to Laodicea too, doesn’t it. If Laodicea is not directly falling short of these virtues, why then is she to be slaughtered? Isn’t the church asleep and neglectful of her duty? 2 TG 11: Has she not reject His timely message, and shirked her responsibility since 1929? Tract 3 pg 8:1: Is the church not part of the investigative judgment? T 8 pg 72: Didn’t the church have burdens to work for souls and neglected to do so; weren’t they content to let Him do without their services; didn’t He take from them the light of truth; aren’t they going to be held responsible for every ray of light given to them; didn’t they refuse to have Him reign over them; most importantly, aren’t they going to be slain before him? Do they have a day of reckoning? What then, what, defines these above attributes as exclusively Davidic. The truth is, we are all still belonging to the Seventh Day Adventist church.
The one passage this theory is hinged upon is that the first group to meet the slaughter weapons at the commencement of the harvest is the group who had been lazy and asleep, and did not increase their talents: which represents His timely messages, his goods. And that the arrow pointing between the 4th and 5th parabolical hour and back to the place of its origin establishes that fact. This is already covered above but to recap briefly, Laodicea demonstrates all these aspects of behaviors and if Davidians do, all the more that they be cut down at the commencement of the slaughter. But conjecturing as to make a doctrine out of this has no value since at the commencement of the slaughter, all destinies would have been decided. Even if SDA’s are slaughtered on the last day of the slaughter, the intervening time (not more than 6 or so days)is not enough reprieve to cause anymore fear, caution, or preparation in a Davidian’s heart, than him knowing right now, that he may pass in the slaughter of Ezekiel 9. Because as mentioned before, all destinies would have been eternally decided.
The ways arrows are used in the charts is a study in itself. Study keenly how they are used to indicate specific time blocks and periods, future events, and ongoing and future action. A good chart to look at is the one on TEMPLES TYPE AND ANTITYPE? Compare it to how they are used in The Eleventh Hour chart and the Flood chart, then the World in Prophetic Symbol chart. Notice how the arrows are used when clarifying a text or a symbol and when they are used to intersect a block of time. You’ll see how disingenuously they were used to prove they were for blocks of time in this particular section of the chart.
To logically flood this study with a bright light, is to see the pitfalls, and that the artful reasoning are not expressed in the Shepherd Rod.
ADDITIONAL PASSAGES ON Matt 13:49
“The second fruits, however, those that are still in Babylon after the purification, are taken from among the bad (Rev. 18:4), rather than the bad from among the good” (Matt. 13:49). 12 T 45:2
“This parable of the Kingdom, you note, contains three periods of time: First, the period of sowing the seed — the time of Christ’s ministry; second, the period of growing — the time from the ascension of Christ to the harvest; third, the time of harvest — a short period of time “at the end of the world” (Matt. 13:49), Timely Greetings,” Vol. 2, No. 44:32
“Matt. 13:47-50 — “Again, the Kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, and shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
But the wicked, as bad fish, are cast out, as tares, they are burned up; and as goats, they are sent into everlasting punishment. “So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, and shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.” Matt. 13:49, 50. Jl 2 3
“The wheat, “the children of the kingdom” (Matt. 13:38), are gathered into the barn, the kingdom; the tares, “the children of the wicked one” (verse 38) — mere professors, those who are not doers of the Word, and who were granted membership “while men slept” — “are gathered and burned in the fire” (Matt. 13:40 ButWhoAreTheReapers? “The reapers are the angels” who “shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just.” Matt. 13:39, 49. Tract 8: 66:3
“These scriptures are self-explanatory, and they make our subject as clear as crystal: As soon as the house of David is set up, as soon as the first fruits reach Mt. Zion and there stand with the Lamb, the cleansing fountain will be opened. Then it is that the great harvest will begin during which every grain of “wheat” shall be put into the “barn,” but every noxious seed burned (Matt. 13:30). Then it is that every good “fish” shall be put into vessels, whereas every bad one shall be cast out (Matt. 13:48). Then it is that everyone having on the “wedding garment” shall be served the wedding supper, but everyone having not the garment on shall be cast into outer darkness” (Matt. 22:11- 13).
“In the terms of the parables all this can be summed as follows: Those who successfully aim to be spared as “wheat,” as good “fish,” and to put on the wedding garment, are those who have found the field of great treasure and the pearl of great price and have done all to purchase them.
“So shall it be at the end of the world, the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked” from among the just, and shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.” Matt. 13:49, 50. Timely Greetings, Vol. 1, No. 18: 19
“What is the Judgment for the Living? and what happens with the righteous, and what happens with the wicked, after they are judged? — In His parables Christ illustrates that the righteous, as good fish, are put into vessels; as wheat, they are put into the barn; and as sheep, they go into life eternal — they are placed in absolute security sealed for eternity. But the wicked, as bad fish, are cast out, as tares, they are burned up; and as goats, they are sent into everlasting punishment. “So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, and shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.” Matt. 13:49, 50. Jezreel Letter, No. 2 3
As the field is “the world” (Matt. 13:38), the parable of the wheat and the tares necessarily comprehends both sections of the harvest. As, by contrast, the “net” hauls in the “fish,” the converts made by the gospel church, the parable of the net therefore is limited to the separation in the church. Together they distinguish the Relation Of First Fruits To Second. Tract 3 pg 68
“Sion, as we have herein seen, being the church in which the 144,000 are at the time the sealing message is heard, and being as the apple of His eye, the Lord asks her: “Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee. Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of My hands; thy walls are continually before Me. Thy children shall make haste; thy destroyers and they that made thee waste shall go forth of thee.” Isa. 49:15-17. That is, the sinners will be taken out of her, cast away “from among the just.” Matt. 13:48, 49. Tract 8: 88